Posts by Sea Breeze

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Article: Jehovah's Witnesses elders guilty of failure to report sexual abuse of 6-year-old girl

by AndersonsInfo in

mchenry county, woodstock, il .

northwest herald, shaw local news.

breaking news - read below full article - (article was blocked unless the reader has a subscription.

Do you remember GRACE GOUGH?

by LullingtonRd in

hello, i am grace gough's granddaughter:.

i have started a blog that begins at the beginning and this is with grace.

follow along as i dive into her life - and please do reach out if you have any stories to share with me that i can add to my blog.. you can find the blog here:.

World War 3

by Reservations in

jw
friends

i’m calling it folks, world war 3 looks like it’s a done deal.. belarus has entered ukraine, and nato is involved heavily, just not “boots on the ground”.. will there be a nuclear exchange?

i would have said no 5 days ago, now i’m not so sure.. how will this effect wt?

probably more of the same fear mongering..

It doesn't have to be a done deal (WW III). The liberal utopian states want to stir the conflict because the globalists (their financiers) always end up with more power with each state of emergency. They live by: "never let a good disaster go to waste" .

The dictator's do not need the liberal media media to cover for them with their deceptions because they already have made an end run around their own elections. But, unlike the globalists and their liberal lackeys, they are against a new world order where national boundaries (physical and societal) are essentially meaningless.

This puts conservatives in the unusual position of siding with dictators who value nationalism, even if they are ruthless. The choice? Fake Democracy by the dictators vs., fake democracy as explained by the MSM. The dictators don't need it are not buying it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY5pMXGorBM&ab_channel=ColDouglasMacgregorClips

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Penpals

by Jer8226 in

jw
friends

my ex-husband is in prison for ..well a while longer and has recently became very interested in the study of jehovah.

(forgive me if i say anything incorrect- i am not religious in any way but do respect all choices!

) he is looking for some penpals to help make the time go by faster and to really learn more about the religion so he can make a difference in his community once he gets out.

Sea Breeze

Tell him that he is more free where he is at now, than he will be as a JW on the outside.

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JWs don’t use the apocryphal, yet source them

by Anony Mous in

so a quick little note about a few things that i recently learned.

if you ever had the yellow book of bible stories, there was the story of enoch, also repeated in other watchtower publications, about the angels fathering giants and being a menace on earth.

now if you look at the nicean bible, which is the wtbts selection of the bible, it mentions enoch twice and only has a very brief passage about nephilim and ben elohim.

Sea Breeze

"Regardless of the level of proof that a tomb was found empty, the answer cannot be "It was supernatural powers," until supernatural powers are proven first."

This is really the basic, central, or critical point of proving ANYTHING related to the "Story" of Jesus.

Pistol Pete:

So, It sounds like you are saying that super natural powers cannot be accepted until supernatural powers are proven. Right?

And, it cannot be proven because there is no evidence for supernatural powers, except of course for all the evidence FOR supernatural powers like eye-witness testimony, empty tomb and the other minimum facts I listed.

Oh, OK.

Why not just try to provide a logical, natural, explanation for the minimum facts that scholars agree upon? Otherwise, these kinds of circular reasoning statements are just "hand waving".

Pretty lame reasoning.

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JWs don’t use the apocryphal, yet source them

by Anony Mous in

so a quick little note about a few things that i recently learned.

if you ever had the yellow book of bible stories, there was the story of enoch, also repeated in other watchtower publications, about the angels fathering giants and being a menace on earth.

now if you look at the nicean bible, which is the wtbts selection of the bible, it mentions enoch twice and only has a very brief passage about nephilim and ben elohim.

Sea Breeze

Habermas states that 6 of the 12 minimum facts are agreed upon by 75% of scholars who publish in this area and over 90% agree to the other 6. I'm not sure which 6 is which.

There aren't any peer reviewed papers that refute his analysis that I'm aware of.

So, the whole city saw Jesus die. The Pharisees and Pilate were WELL motivated to find that body because of the threat it represented to both power structures. I'm sure every effort was spent. They never found the body. The eyewitnesses say it was because he was alive and even had a 40 day ministry thereafter.

Matthew records that some Jews claimed the body was stolen. The Nazareth Inscription is probably the Roman response to the same disappearance.

Truth Be Known: I'll ask you the same question:

We know from history that tens of thousands of orthodox Jews, (right in the heart of Jerusalem where their claims could be easily refuted if not true), made the Resurrection their central message, abandoned Saturday as their holy day, and accepted Sunday (the day of the Resurrection) as their new holy day. Jews don't change even over millennia. But, they did.

They did this at great personal expense - shunned forever from family and friends, and worse. Can you provide a plausible explanation for this fact of history other than the Resurrection? Why would people just up and submit to the harshest abuse possible for something they knew to be false?

What say you?

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JWs don’t use the apocryphal, yet source them

by Anony Mous in

so a quick little note about a few things that i recently learned.

if you ever had the yellow book of bible stories, there was the story of enoch, also repeated in other watchtower publications, about the angels fathering giants and being a menace on earth.

now if you look at the nicean bible, which is the wtbts selection of the bible, it mentions enoch twice and only has a very brief passage about nephilim and ben elohim.

Sea Breeze

Simply said, if you take away the Christian sources on the subject, what is the story on Jesus you are left with? There is no Jesus in any contemporary record, Christians are mentioned as a sect from the Jews, Pontius Pilate is a footnote at best.

What you don't seem to understand is that the most prominent agnostic-atheist-skeptic scholars use parts of the NT as literal history. Why are atheist scholars allowed to do this, but not anyone else? Doesn't make sense, and thinking people don't buy that restriction. These skeptic scholars may not use it as a believer does sitting in church on a Sunday morning. But, they do allow 7 or 8 books of the NT as legitimate historical sources., where the writer is corroborated and where he was at the right place at the right time to know what was going on.

Using only these sources, the 12 facts of Jesus Resurrection are agreed upon as literal history by the majority of skeptic scholars who publish in this area. And, as such cannot be dismissed by thinking people.

Here are an additional couple dozen sources or so surrounding the historicity of Jesus from extra biblical sources.

We know from history that tens of thousands of orthodox Jews, (right in the heart of Jerusalem where their claims could be easily refuted if not true), made the Resurrection their central message, abandoned Saturday as their holy day, and accepted Sunday (the day of the Resurrection) as their new holy day. Jews don't change even over millennia. But, they did.

They did this at great personal expense - shunned forever from family and friends, and worse. Can you provide a plausible explanation for this fact of history other than the Resurrection? Why would people just up and submit to the harshest abuse possible unless the Resurrection is true?

What say you?

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JWs don’t use the apocryphal, yet source them

by Anony Mous in

so a quick little note about a few things that i recently learned.

if you ever had the yellow book of bible stories, there was the story of enoch, also repeated in other watchtower publications, about the angels fathering giants and being a menace on earth.

now if you look at the nicean bible, which is the wtbts selection of the bible, it mentions enoch twice and only has a very brief passage about nephilim and ben elohim.

Sea Breeze

They are simply articles of faith.

@ Anony Mous

There are contradictory (or complimentary) accounts of how the Titanic sank. But, none of those belie the fact that it sank. Testimonies often present facts in a fragmentary way. In spite of this, or perhaps party because of it, scholars agree the tomb was empty of Jesus' body. That is only one of the facts that scholars agree on.

I believe you have seen this presentation before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOW7k3hQ-vE&ab_channel=FallenEmbers

They are simply articles of faith.

No. Critical Scholarship, not faith, produces the12 facts above.

So, if this is what even atheist/skeptic scholars agree are the minimum facts surrounding the Resurrection, then there is a basis other than faith to deal with the implications of these facts, since they are rooted in evidence. And if the evidence produces these facts, then there is a logical reason to attempt to explain the facts without a Resurrection. The evidence is good enough to require a verdict.

Hand waving is easy, especially if you are biased and your faith (bias) wants these facts to simply go away. But, if you are honest, you will come to the conclusion that these facts a very difficult to explain away, in spite of some variance without the Resurrection.

We have to keep in mind that this man (Jesus) radically altered the course of world history and the whole planet counts time by his life. Which are more reasons why hand-waving isn't warranted, as if the topic is so insignificant that it is not even worthy of the slightest consideration.

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JWs don’t use the apocryphal, yet source them

by Anony Mous in

so a quick little note about a few things that i recently learned.

if you ever had the yellow book of bible stories, there was the story of enoch, also repeated in other watchtower publications, about the angels fathering giants and being a menace on earth.

now if you look at the nicean bible, which is the wtbts selection of the bible, it mentions enoch twice and only has a very brief passage about nephilim and ben elohim.

Sea Breeze

After examining it and cross examining it I found it to be a fine example of Apologetics - it sounds reasonable, but there is still no evidence. It is just logical argument.

Contemporary Apologetics

The above represent the minimum facts that the most skeptic scholars who publish in this area concede to. Can you give plausible explanations for these facts that do not include a resurrection?

Especially 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11,12

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JWs don’t use the apocryphal, yet source them

by Anony Mous in

so a quick little note about a few things that i recently learned.

if you ever had the yellow book of bible stories, there was the story of enoch, also repeated in other watchtower publications, about the angels fathering giants and being a menace on earth.

now if you look at the nicean bible, which is the wtbts selection of the bible, it mentions enoch twice and only has a very brief passage about nephilim and ben elohim.

Sea Breeze

You are certainly welcome to your view. But it is not in line with modern scholarship which views the resurrection as one of the most well attested to events in history.

The NT contains several ancient creeds that even atheist scholars agree were formed within months, or a couple years at most from the Cross. These "verbal scriptures" served as doctrinal aids, since most people didn't read or write. The creeds and the writings themselves, are all well within the lifetimes of the eye-witnesses, and could have easily challenged them as nonsense or fake by people who were all still alive at the time. That didn't happen.

Creed Examples:

1 Timothy 3:16

Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of our religion:

God was manifested in the flesh,
Vindicated in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the nations,
Believed on in the world,
Taken up in glory.

I Corinthians 15:3-4

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: